Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic)

[Kazuki]

They are masters needing quality logs for.

Aside from that and I think no one mentioned this... If you want a nerf to ap stacking then you'll want one for dr stacking too and you can't just have one or the other. I'm on a neutral stand to this. Especially someone who has cosmic. I don't care all that much.

[Hated]

we could change invig to give +power to cosmic damage, but then cosmic armed stances would still basicly have 10% ap to everything melee

[Kazuki]

I would also like to point out that I agree with nova ray getting its invig lock again. It does way too much damage to not have it. That or lower its damage. As it stands, it does as much damage as energy beam when under 50%.

Also Plasma overcharge gives the same as invigorate but also 20 crit for the same duration. Just putting that out there not like its the problem.

[Gold]

I would also like to point out that I agree with nova ray getting its invig lock again. It does way too much damage to not have it. That or lower its damage. As it stands, it does as much damage as energy beam when under 50%.

Also Plasma overcharge gives the same as invigorate but also 20 crit for the same duration. Just putting that out there not like its the problem.

Plasma overcharge gives 10 fire and 10 lightning power.

Plasma aura gives 10% AP, 20 crit, -20 mdam. (Which is garbage, riptide aura has a decent benefit. Lifesteal and 13% AP)

Everyone goes cosmic for AP stacking, not lore. See everyone going red cosmic while beta blue cosmic cries they aren’t as strong. They even hate themselves, nerf.

[Kazuki]

I would also like to point out that I agree with nova ray getting its invig lock again. It does way too much damage to not have it. That or lower its damage. As it stands, it does as much damage as energy beam when under 50%.

Also Plasma overcharge gives the same as invigorate but also 20 crit for the same duration. Just putting that out there not like its the problem.

Plasma overcharge gives 10 fire and 10 lightning power.

Plasma aura gives 10% AP, 20 crit, -20 mdam. (Which is garbage, riptide aura has a decent benefit. Lifesteal and 13% AP)

Everyone goes cosmic for AP stacking, not lore. See everyone going red cosmic while beta blue cosmic cries they aren’t as strong. They even hate themselves, nerf.

You are half right. Lightning pow got removed. The auras don't even give the stats as intended which is dumb.

[Hated]

lets stick to cosmic in this thread before fru flames us all

[RadiantEnvoy]

For point 7, I'd just like to mention that while ToL gives 8% compared to the whatever amount of ap cosmic aura's give, ToL is a toggle which can be used in tandem with another aura which makes that argument ludicrous to me, personally. If you're going to compare them then you have to account for the fact that someone can use holy aura (30pow) alongside ToL's 8% ap.

Unless ToL is actually an aura that just has the holy aura overlay on it...

Keep in mind that intermediate bladestyles exist for nearly any tree and give 10% AP and elemental scaling, ToL is an Exalted hidden and does overall less.

Though on the topic at hand, Cosmic AP stacking can be wild, but if the hiddens are regulated I don't think it's really all that insane.. Maybe take the suggestion and make invigorate give a base number of power instead of an AP stack.

[Gold]

For point 7, I'd just like to mention that while ToL gives 8% compared to the whatever amount of ap cosmic aura's give, ToL is a toggle which can be used in tandem with another aura which makes that argument ludicrous to me, personally. If you're going to compare them then you have to account for the fact that someone can use holy aura (30pow) alongside ToL's 8% ap.

Unless ToL is actually an aura that just has the holy aura overlay on it...

Keep in mind that intermediate bladestyles exist for nearly any tree and give 10% AP and elemental scaling, ToL is an Exalted hidden and does overall less.

Though on the topic at hand, Cosmic AP stacking can be wild, but if the hiddens are regulated I don't think it's really all that insane.. Maybe take the suggestion and make invigorate give a base number of power instead of an AP stack.

If someone with ToL had gentle blade that’s 18% AP, combined with red cosmic that’s 23% onto 18% that’s 41% +invigorate 51%. Throw in a rage potion? You see where this is going.

Sure ToL is an exalted, but it’s a toggle. Those blade styles are essentially the same thing, but with lesser effects. However you need a bladestyle to use armed moves, ToL is just a bonus. The problem is numbers, they are just too high and easily stacked. Never compare a toggle to a requirement for spells, at least red cosmic is an aura, a stupidly overpowered one but, ToL and DG can outclass them with two events to revamp their build for the meta with relative ease.

Wildnature, Invigorate, Astral Blade style, Red Cosmic aura, either AP toggle, rage potion. You now have someone hitting like a plot character.

Also, nerf cosmic demons.

[Mordere]

If we're talking AP stack...

Wild Nature, (Insert bladestyle here) ancestral wrath, invigorate. Congratulations, below 50% health you now have a static 30% AP, with 2 10% Ap buffs, and if you want to get memey with it grab some elemental power so that your power after all that AP is multiplied a little bit more.

Long story short big stack smol brain hit hard am smort.

[Kazuki]

To be honest, we can't just say it is only cosmic. Half the spell list boosts AP in some way. If I wanted to, I could grab energy aura for that 15%(?) AP under 50% health with invigorate and stack it with a blade style and at that point, I'd have more AP than a red cosmic swordsman under 50% mind you.

I'm not targetting energy but AP stacking isn't just Cosmic as the title says. There is a LOT of ap boosting spells around. And as diggy says, any beastkin can just dip for that Wild Nature which is basically invigorate with a speed boost.