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Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic) - Mali - 02-21-2020
I'm not particularly in an arguing mood, but I believe that in this iteration of the game, AP stacking is something that has quickly become a must-have amongst top-tier players. At one point, I recall admin being rather strict about things of this nature, especially since it could become bonkers if someone were to have too much of it...However, I find that the admin-hand has been rather lax as of late. And has generally turned a blind eye to most of the spells that need adjustments and nerfs...And instead, usually focuses on things that don't need shit at all. So, allow me to poke around a bit.
1. Quite frankly, cosmic is just too good not to have. Say what you want, but despite the tree being rather expensive, there is no reason NOT to have cosmic- and at this rate, I'd even go as far as to say that Cosmic is better to dabble into(for holy magi) than holy...Considering the amount of ground that it covers...Because not only does it have lovely damage, but brilliant utility- so let's poke at the core issues here.
Cosmic slow is too oppressive. It was one thing for Cosmic to slow heavily and do little damage, but it's another for it to simply outclass all other aoes by nearly making someone move at walking pace. It's absolutely unfair.
Taking Invigorate off of Cosmic Beam- from my experience, this further buffed the tree. You now have an unpredictable nuke that you can fire off at any given time without the need to use invigorate. Big mistake from what I can say.
AP Stacking: Cosmic inherently AP stacks. 80% of the hiddens that cosmic possesses has some sort of AP tied into it's abilities, which makes stacking it way too easy. (Armed users, I'm most certainly looking at you). It is not difficult to possess invigorate, blade style, rage potion, and the aura(intermediate), and the hidden blade style to quite literally, be resting arooounnd 28-40%. It's actually quite bonkers.
I believe that something needs to be done about Cosmic. And the way blade styles further interact, because I do feel as if Cosmic becomes terribly oppressive, even moreso, when it's used in tandem with trees that make accessing AP that much easier.
(PS, if you don't fix this, I'll make something unbeatable. Promise.)
With this being said, here are a few suggestions:
1. Lower the damage of Cosmic Aoe, Keep the slow?
2. Nerf the slow and Damage on Cosmic Aoe.
3. Lower the amount of AP gained on invigorate, increase the duration.
4. Lower the amount of AP gained on advanced styles(I definitely feel as if it's overkilled. They're all so easy to get.)
5. If you're going to keep Nova ray as it is, bring back the invigorate lock. If not...Nerf it too.
6. Lower AP gains all across the board. It's too much, even on occult...Game cancer.
7. Why do all cosmic intermediates give so much ap? Nerf them. ToL the exalted only gives 8% and they give like..10-20% bich wtf??
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Warning: If you try to divert the attention of this topic away from cosmic, I'll flame u...stinkies. You all know cosmic and armed used in tandem is a big problem. They need adjusting!...dont u dare try to defend them.
RE: Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic) - Milly - 02-21-2020
im a huge fan of point 7.
\o/
RE: Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic) - Arrow - 02-21-2020
fru advocates nerfing me after i just app for cosmic
big sad
but i agree, crimson cosmic gives like 23% ap with the E on alone
cosmic aoe damage is strong
the beam is strong
it should be nerfed slightly to adjust the numbers
RE: Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic) - Hated - 02-21-2020
+1
Ap stacks, even in the current meta, make it even worse. This goes for all spells and auras that give flat AP. Expedience, Shadow aura, All cosmic hidden aura AND ALL AP BONUS BLADESTYLES. Not to mention witch eyes give ap. Demons are truly the most to express the stat wall given from this. It just cannot remained because of how unhealthy for balance it will be and become.
I raise fru's threat to create something absurd with ap stacking with my own to prove it. if something isn't done? already going to run the numbers.
RE: Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic) - Danteric - 02-21-2020
Cosmic has been pretty bonkers since eternia 1
It’s time it’s got the nerf stick
RE: Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic) - Sword of Legend - 02-21-2020
+1
%Pow in general is ridiculous and should only be attributed to temporary buffs and items in small doses
RE: Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic) - Prestige - 02-21-2020
I agree.
But, with that said, I don’t think Occult as a tree is as oppressive as Holy. The ap ‘stacking’ from occult is minor. Meanwhile, holy has two shields, two aoes that give you dr, etc. Both trees are strong atm, and I’d argue that Holy is stronger. DR vs AP is never comparable ofc, DR is stronger period. Holy paired with shadow (imo shouldn’t be a thing) is way too oppressive and has too many tools that allow you to cover your mistakes.
I do think that cosmic aoe’s slow should be tuned down a bit, along with some rework for invig. Maybe make it a bigger ap boost, but just for cosmic / light. Rewards true cosmic mages, but the spell is no longer a req in the tree so it doesn’t hurt anyone.
RE: Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic) - TheHopscotch - 02-21-2020
Just replace the AP on invig with a flat number, +15-20md or something?
Cosmic AoE damage took a hit so leave it alone
RE: Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic) - Jash - 02-21-2020
For point 7, I'd just like to mention that while ToL gives 8% compared to the whatever amount of ap cosmic aura's give, ToL is a toggle which can be used in tandem with another aura which makes that argument ludicrous to me, personally. If you're going to compare them then you have to account for the fact that someone can use holy aura (30pow) alongside ToL's 8% ap.
Unless ToL is actually an aura that just has the holy aura overlay on it...
RE: Nerf AP Stacking(Cosmic) - Myradin - 02-21-2020
The cosmic auras are considered Master tier not intermediate.
At least, that's what it is on the mastery magic page.