this ain't nerf, this is fucking trashing unarmed dude

[Dimmie Dunce]

All it's honestly saying is that many who flocked to unarmed did it because it was abusable and not because they had a character concept in mind that was tied to the magic.

People will always flock to the hottest, next meta thing if they're allowed.

Truth be told, it's probably the best case for not having unlimited refunds.

Bring back amnesia potions

[Cloutio2x]

Delete Jab...

Make unarmed not a bunch of dash strikes... idk. The tree even when it was broken was boring as hell. The only spell that was remotely fun was lariat. Give unarmed its own identity that isn’t I jab tp then go retard on the keys...

[Detective100]

All it's honestly saying is that many who flocked to unarmed did it because it was abusable and not because they had a character concept in mind that was tied to the magic.

People will always flock to the hottest, next meta thing if they're allowed.

Truth be told, it's probably the best case for not having unlimited refunds.

I went unarmed from creation, because I didn't see any dagger weapons that I could buy.

That said, whether something was "abusable" or "meta" in the past, doesn't mean people should stay silent if it is knocked to the ground too much. Doubly so for those who picked certain trees, each for their own differing reasons, only to see the tree keep getting nerfed and nerfed over and over again.

[Hated]

All it's honestly saying is that many who flocked to unarmed did it because it was abusable and not because they had a character concept in mind that was tied to the magic.

People will always flock to the hottest, next meta thing if they're allowed.

Truth be told, it's probably the best case for not having unlimited refunds.

Bring back amnesia potions

Hi Dimmie~!

Yes I feel like being able to jump back and forth between spells is a tad ridiculous at the moment, you should only have so many chances.

However seeing how balance is at the moment a lot of spells and mechanics could change, the staff offering to accommodate refunds due to these changes keep the players happy even if their bar is hurt due to a change. Of course this is only right to say for this stage in development, but by no means do I speak for staff on this one, just my opinion

[OMNI]

To add something constructive and some things potentially just irritation from the insights of an Unarmed player fighting presently unnerfed Armed (RIP Armed, you're getting dusted next), uhh...

I used to be able to do very well against a specific player when it was us both Unarmed and had a solid chance of victory every fight. He dropped Unarmed and went to Armed and me using my same build, the most I can do to him when trying really hard is about 75% damage. If I don't try extremely hard, I don't even do 35%.

The sheer drop that Unarmed has gone down has put it to the point of being worse than Armed in every single way and also not worth spending RPP on unless you don't want to use a weapon while casting, in which case only buy Iron Fist period. I can't fight people I was beating handily before and get more than a round off of them, and part of that is because I'm still outverbing them but their trees are just better by default so there's no real opportunity for me to win in the end.

It makes me angry that I made a character based around being Unarmed as part of the IC concept and honestly is making me consider rebirthing said character just to get out of Unarmed. It's not feasible. People who say it's feasible haven't tried using Unarmed as a melee tree against anyone who is decent at verbing and not Unarmed. Otherwise, people who say it's feasible just don't know how to verb or just want it to remain as weak as possible due to their OOC interests.

The only other option I have if Unarmed doesn't get made viable is breaking IC into tiny bits and going with a kite build while refunding everything in Unarmed that I feasibly can so I can unfuck my build for the purpose of mid-range kiting. That or go and ask a Syndicate member to kill my character off since basically anyone can do that. Anyone with decent trees 50 RPL below me can do so if they can verb. That way, there's at least closure to my character and I can just avoid both Armed AND Unarmed as the kite meta rolls in and melee becomes impossible.

Overall, it's a bad situation far beyond the people who were whining about it being overpowered. Just because you get beaten by something doesn't mean you should go screaming for nerfs. Being able to USE your load out properly also plays a huge role in success. Being outverbed isn't something to be ashamed of, either. It just means you have room to improve.

[Cherury]

As a newer player and an Unarmed User, I got it because I liked the idea of Cosmic Martial Arts.

Didn't know how well it would go in meta, because there were no shown Spell Damages and all that.

I still rather enjoy the RP of it all, which is most important to me, but the day after day after day of Nerfs to it just feels sort of bad.

I don't really care if there's GCD, but I'd like it on par with Armed. Increasing a little range on the skills, keeping all else the same, would be nice.

[SmugGod]

Even if that's the case, Puff, they're not wrong. I'm an Unarmed diehard because of my Profile Picture, so I won't refund it, but it is hot doo doo at the moment. We deserve GCDE, we need to be able to combo for damage. And, if not, give us something that'll put us up with Armed.

The recent changes to Armed's CD's and a slight Galeforce damage nerf aren't making up for the difference at all. Ifrit got stronger, in fact.

[Suke]

we don't CARE about +1 range of weighted punch, we want GCDE on it, goddamn it..

[Lammy]

if it comes back they lower the damage. right now, unarmed is go in and do your damage and kite, similar to armed in many cases but also better. it’s because of that, that you should find a tree if you’re powergaming to deal with people who do kite and have range.

also, if you don’t have assault, i would advise getting it. i would also advise going energy for the shield and ability to utilize its stuns. but all in all, you should consider either learning going in or out or beg for the ultimatum of low damage, no gcd, low cool down unarmed which would suck a lot.

[Suke]

^ stfu

i ain't getting a TREE just to become strong. picked what I picked IC and ain't gonna change for that. unarmed as it is now is fucking TRASH af and it takes fuckin blind corpses not to see that, it's not fun, not rewarding, and all it takes is to press spacebar to fuck over an unarmed dude 10 secs

get rid of the stuns, get rid of that and give us fast paced combat instead of "lol, i hit u once and run away but i didn't do anydamage because range too low'' stupid ass shit