01-31-2023, 06:23 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-31-2023, 06:27 AM by Spiffspoff.)
(01-31-2023, 02:29 AM)TheHopscotch Wrote: Having seen bio in action recently from the sidelines - The overwhelming strength and possibility this subset of spells have is something really powerful. It seems it's time to perhaps tone down this tree which continues to see prominence throughout seemingly every era of Eternia. (To stand with the other trees and not tower above them.)
Bone stun seems to stun for a crazy long amount of time - With it being capable of acting as an omni-directional stun when coupled with bone blades, perhaps a slight tone down (to the average 2s.) is in order. (Still capable of comboing with it, however if you strike your opponent in a phantom strike? You won't get the free follow up, etc.)
Bone in general is very strong.
Having a; low cd stun
Cast-buff which buffs your stun and damage by 15% (Stackable.)
Master which allows you to heal off your enemies damage. (I like the gimmick, so this one is less of an offensive.)
Cleanse as well as a 12sd heal ontop of it.
Huge AoE like tremor which does really good damage. (2 second higher cd than tremor, with one being a master and dealing the same damage.)
Giving a slight nerf to not make it so overwhelming when facing a melee or usual unarmed abuser is probably in order.
Now, onto the rest.
Insectomancy.
40 Spell Dam.
30 Critical.
GCDE Wave that can do upwards of 8k~ (An off bar high damage spell to top off a well-statted aura.)
The wave needs a serious tone down, comparing it to another mastery aura such as Primordial Flame? It's clear which comes out on top. (You don't want every aura to feel samey, but this signature tier aura is better than even stuff like mana absorbtion and so on, all for the low cost of just one mastery token.)
Noxious Cloud - 5 spell dam which can tick upwards of 10 times maximum. While it's not frequent this can hit its maximum amount - The potential of being able to do upwards of 50+ spell dam is probably something which could also be toned down. (Back to 4sd~ish.)
Vines/Imp/Clones - Should be moved to the summoning tree (Freeing up space in trees and allowing me and chance to add new spells to the tree. Making vines an intermediate would clog up nature even further, still being able to stack these 'lesser' summons with elemental ones or buffing them with this change would be beneficial to everyone.)
As a bone user, here's some points of contention:
- Bone is not strong, it's niche. It does very little damage on its own because it lacks good offense from how few spells it has. If you want to do damage, you have to use Ivory, which is just that-- a solid AoE that does a pretty chunk of change.
- Bone blades gives flat pow, but if I recall correctly only for physical elements meaning itself, armed, and unarmed. This means it's outright a dps loss, as most cast buffs are, because I could just use a spell with 10 SD and outweigh the buff due to GCD. Unarmed is a different beast, half of the tree is gcde, but you shouldn't nerf something just because a single spec can abuse it.
- You say that Bone Lance is the longest stun in the game, but keep in mind it also does piddily damage, is bound by GCD, and requires a slot dedicated to a bad castbuff that only has real synergy with Lance, and unarmed if you use the prime unarmed brie. Everything else is a dps loss. Lance also has a janky hitbox, and is pretty hard to land without bone blades as a result. (Certain abilities like Light speed or kick seem to just make you immune to the stun effect for some reason too, not sure what that's about.)
If you're affected by mud, bone lance's stun will fade before you can cast a follow-up, unlike a whip.
- Reform is a cleanse+heal which funnily enough scale with bone blades, but it also hurts you for half of what you heal up front, which is dangerous at low health because it can KO you. The heal is like, 1500 at most, which isn't much.
- Ivory is an intermediate which does good damage, on a decent cooldown. It applies no effects. It's just a good spell, but you're forced to pick up either bone blades, or drill, which you might not even bar. Especially not if you aren't using lance. But this is also bone's only damage, because we both know you're never going to use Drill.
So overall I don't think bone warrants any nerfs, especially not when it only has 6 spells to its name in the first place.