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Whip Beams are still as good as they were in E3. Where people were openly expressing dislike for the combo with how it works rn.

Mainly Water Whip>Dragon(or Water Beam)> Tidal(17 SD) or by some grace of god someone has Tsunami rn (forgot how much SD it was)

All of this can quite literally takee 20% or more of someones HP in one skill rotation.

Like, I get CC combo builds are a thing since Metal and Sand kind of set up these ideas. (Using one of them previously being Sand/Water and Sand catching a nerf due to it)

It just feels like if you land a whip or as what happend earlier land a stun you can get free dmg instantly. You can't cleanse these.

When whip lands you're eating a full combo. (Yeah ofc you can try and out run/avoid/outplay) But the same can be said about Lightspeed if you telegraph it and use a spell to avoid the stun or whip... but look at how difficult an RPB just became for you with this in mind?

When stun lands you're eating a full combo. (Currently used stun is Pyroclasm which has a decently sized AOE as used by Pyro/Plasma Beam combo users into Impact Cannon or w/e else) With the more recent Light Speed>Pyro>E.Beam>Impact Cannon combo being utilized in Aphros.

Like... I remember when I was on my Ebonblooded IC during E3...

I did Lightspeed, Sanctified Flash, E.Beam.

This combo was shadow nerfed making it so Sanctified flash only worked with Fatal (Which was a good change mind you)

Maybe make it so stuns, can't chain into beams... because it leads to a really unfortunate meta where it's impossible to counterplay unless you have a specific kit/set of trees.

Like having warcry on hand, shadow walk or mist form maybe. Even then people can bait these invuls/cc immunities out of you by just strafing which is really easy to do.

I don't know. As most people has said, not being able to play the game while someone is free casting on you until 20-30% HP is gone due to 1 combo then they sit back on their defensive aspects of the build while you play catch up till they do it again seems unfortunate.

But, I never fought it to know how I myself would play around it. But if I had to go off the top of my head.

As an armed user you could play around Lightspeed by holding onto Phantom strikes... (aka Telegraphing it and staying off screen mashing the Phantom Strikes key which would cause this interaction..)
They TP, you phantom and they blow stun you're free to do w/e afterwards avoiding the combo. But, for other people you... can't really do much here.

Like it's fine for a stun to lead into other spells that would y'know just be a quick 1, 2 combo. But stuns into beams should be looked at probably.

Auto hit builds or kiters are another story. (Buff armed...)

Sustains don't seem strong at all right now. It seemed like that bane has finally set sail.

P.S - Visual exmaple of what happens when you get hit with a beam or stun for reference. (Probably took a lot crits here but...)