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[Spicy Serious]

I did say personally.

Personally I don’t think it’s that huge of a deal. It’s certainly not kept newer chars from getting the spotlight as far as I’ve seen, and most people who battlecuck/battlecuck wind up dying before they hit age dr anyway or just move on to newer chars/builds regardless.

I dunno, people just seem to discard a char once they hit age dr more often than not? Unless they were heavily back lines anyway. I’m which case age dr literally doesn’t matter.

Newer characters is vital. Don’t mistake me. I just think a way for old fossils to not just be discounted as just mentor-fodder is a neat thing. People get bored and move on anyway, especially those more invested in combat.

[ratqueen]

im going to side with whichever side of this argument has the most money and greatest need to commission character profiles

[Milly]

I did say personally.

Personally I don’t think it’s that huge of a deal. It’s certainly not kept newer chars from getting the spotlight as far as I’ve seen, and most people who battlecuck/battlecuck wind up dying before they hit age dr anyway or just move on to newer chars/builds regardless.

I dunno, people just seem to discard a char once they hit age dr more often than not? Unless they were heavily back lines anyway. I’m which case age dr literally doesn’t matter.

Newer characters is vital. Don’t mistake me. I just think a way for old fossils to not just be discounted as just mentor-fodder is a neat thing. People get bored and move on anyway, especially those more invested in combat.

its called a youth potion

[Spicy Serious]

I think 30 faith is a bit harder to gather up than you’re making it out to be. Unless your resident priest either doesn’t have a lot of competition or is on that Monkey Grindset.

It is strong, but it’s really Faith’s only “eye catch” right now as a class. Aside from Shoulder Burden and Champion. Oh and giving Holy to people?

Should it’s cost go up/it be put behind an app? Mayyybe? But I think it says something that, this ability that’s been on the Class since day one, is only being talked about now, and I’ve only seen it used…once. Personally at least.

I think it’s cool, and I think the amount of times I’ve seen it pops up meshes with the intention (restoring a big prominent fighter to their prime for the sake of a heated defensive raid). And if it is changed I’d hope for additions to faith to make it stand up on its own a little like it’s siblings, rather than just removing the one interesting thing it has.

As someone who was one of the most wild faith grinders early wipe (Just ask Sanguine), 30 faith is not that hard to achieve. Tedious? Yeah. Hard? No.

Nowadays faith seems more relevant and religious individuals more or less apart of every faction in some way, shape, or form. Which takes the grind I had done on Ryllie, for Shaggard, and pretty much cuts it in half. All it takes is even a few people who have my sigma faith grindset to make age DR a null thing for quite a few people.

Fair enough. I’m not really tuned into the Faith Grindset, and had more assumed more Faith users would wind out choking out the supply of Faith rather than the inverse. 

But I hadn’t considered the faith sharing between multiple of the same Faith. Probably because I spend most of my time in Delphina and having more than one or two people of the same Faith has been a rarity.

I’d definitely agree to a cost increase. Or another detriment. Maybe making the faith cost equal or even greater than Anoint Champion, or a small vit perm/large (unhealable) vit nerf. 


I still think it’s a cool ability narratively (and I like the idea of older characters maintaining a bit more relevance than they do now). And I’d be sad to see Faith lesser without it. But point made in it being too easy to spam <3


EDIT:
Youth potions are an actively worse/less healthy way of reducing age Dr for the game state. Betterish in the need for dev, for a HCoD event for its materials, worse in that the age reduction is kinda permenant/larger?

Idk. Youth potions are in a weird spot from how I understand them. Unless you dev them into specific things but that’s an entirely separate Kinda thing…they’re weird and fiddly is my point. And I probably wouldn’t want to use the rare dev mats on one personally when they could be put towards more impactful/cool/wacky things

[Denouement]

I just want to point out, if this is removed/heavily nerfed, know that the fault lies to the people who was gaming the system by sigma grinding everything by praying over everyone regardless of who they are and blessing random Leather Armor. Up to the point that some have hundreds of Faith spent or something. You are the real MVPs.

[Milly]

I think 30 faith is a bit harder to gather up than you’re making it out to be. Unless your resident priest either doesn’t have a lot of competition or is on that Monkey Grindset.

It is strong, but it’s really Faith’s only “eye catch” right now as a class. Aside from Shoulder Burden and Champion. Oh and giving Holy to people?

Should it’s cost go up/it be put behind an app? Mayyybe? But I think it says something that, this ability that’s been on the Class since day one, is only being talked about now, and I’ve only seen it used…once. Personally at least.

I think it’s cool, and I think the amount of times I’ve seen it pops up meshes with the intention (restoring a big prominent fighter to their prime for the sake of a heated defensive raid). And if it is changed I’d hope for additions to faith to make it stand up on its own a little like it’s siblings, rather than just removing the one interesting thing it has.

As someone who was one of the most wild faith grinders early wipe (Just ask Sanguine), 30 faith is not that hard to achieve. Tedious? Yeah. Hard? No.

Nowadays faith seems more relevant and religious individuals more or less apart of every faction in some way, shape, or form. Which takes the grind I had done on Ryllie, for Shaggard, and pretty much cuts it in half. All it takes is even a few people who have my sigma faith grindset to make age DR a null thing for quite a few people.

Fair enough. I’m not really tuned into the Faith Grindset, and had more assumed more Faith users would wind out choking out the supply of Faith rather than the inverse. 

But I hadn’t considered the faith sharing between multiple of the same Faith. Probably because I spend most of my time in Delphina and having more than one or two people of the same Faith has been a rarity.

I’d definitely agree to a cost increase. Or another detriment. Maybe making the faith cost equal or even greater than Anoint Champion, or a small vit perm/large (unhealable) vit nerf. 


I still think it’s a cool ability narratively (and I like the idea of older characters maintaining a bit more relevance than they do now). And I’d be sad to see Faith lesser without it. But point made in it being too easy to spam <3


EDIT:
Youth potions are an actively worse/less healthy way of reducing age Dr for the game state. Betterish in the need for dev, for a HCoD event for its materials, worse in that the age reduction is kinda permenant/larger?

Idk. Youth potions are in a weird spot from how I understand them. Unless you dev them into specific things but that’s an entirely separate Kinda thing…they’re weird and fiddly is my point. And I probably wouldn’t want to use the rare dev mats on one personally when they could be put towards more impactful/cool/wacky things

I don't think you know how youth potions actually work.

[morninghaze]

The two times I watched it used for Sutyr Folhammar and Camino were both really cool! I like the idea that these old legends can fight on the battlefield again after so long... I definitely felt much more intimidated when I attended the Folkmoot knowing I might have to fight the fully powered up Emperor of Vdalion who destroyed so many countries in his day.

[Spicy Serious]

[Blah Blah Blah]

I don't think you know how youth potions actually work.

I don’t. But I have very little frame of reference because it’s one of the many things that the game obscures behind word of mouth due to just the nature of how it works. Please correct me, but they just don’t seem interesting. Mechanically or narratively. 

Best I have to guess with is the Youth Pots that were given out at that one manaball tournament as the ultimate prize. And I’m pretty sure they just shaved off like, 1d8+? Of age? Or maybe they were set in the amount of years they shaved off?

Word of mouth nonsense yeah. But I never saw any proper correction? Or heard it at least. They just seem like a weak narrative tool from the best I can understand them, and, if I do, I’m not a big fan of them mechanically. 

…which leaves aside fiddly things like apping to have one that does this wacky lil thing as a variant or whatever but we’d be here all day with that.

[Denouement]

Also, I just want to point this out, a suggestion of my own for the topic.
  
With how tedious but easy it is to grind for Faith, the decline of losing Faith overtime is negated. People can (and certain people do) AFK characters and only log in to do big things like said ability to negate age DR once every few weeks. You know who you are, I know what you are.
  
We should up the decline of Faith or amend/fix how easy it is to grind for Faith and make it less tedious too. 
  
We should also make Essence fade away overtime like Faith and Undeath. Witches have it too good right now in that department.

[Spicy Serious]

(Spicy rescinds prior opinions about Youth Pots, but maintains the idea that less Event-Necessary methods of older characters staying relevant as more than mentor fodder is a fun concept with narrative potential. And that the Faith spell probably needs to be more intensive)


Agreed that Faith probably needs some work ups. I’m not certain how you’d make grinding out more anything less tedious without shifting it away from being “the Support Class”. Barring something silly like picking a patron diety on character creation.

Festivals are possibly a way to? But. They’re hard to actually organize.