Spell Balance Suggestions

[Touc]

Spell:
All healing spells in general.

Suggestion:
Lower the amount of heals that healing spells can give, or make them heal more but on a ridiculously long cooldown so that they're a 'one and done' type deal. Now that mana is essentially infinite and there's no management involved, healing and sustain is getting to the point that it's incredibly powerful. Sustaining against damage and taking out your enemy via death-by-one-thousand-cuts is incredibly effective now- too effective, especially with shields and the new Conjurer style. You don't have to worry about mana or anything at all, really.

In fact, with most sustain builds, your opponent is actively punished for coming to you. Nature, for instance, gives you huge heals and summons with decent enough damage that come after an opponent as soon as you're attacked. Just sit back and let your autoaimed attacks tear apart your opponent while you heal for huge chunks of HP.

[Volatile]

As someone who has gone ice for the first time in a long time, I feel a few of the spells are a bit lackluster.

Glacier is nice, it is neat--- at least in comcept! And it's helpful for disengaging melee opponents in a pinch. But it doesn't always hit, like sear or meteor it is a Semi-homing and thus can be dodged. Even still if it hits fully, all it does is knockback, and the trail ends once your target takes 3 instances of damage. Each instance of damage is 4.5 damage. Totalling to 13.5 damage, if all instances hit. You can sort've consider it a bending beam, only--- unlike beams it does not stun during the knockback process. And it's massive cooldown of 40s make you need to time it perfectly to kncokback a meleer whose going in for burst. I've only really seen it useful against someone who pops Ifrit and goes in, knocking them back and disrupting their combo. But other than that? I don't see why it's an intermediate.
I think it should have a few more ticks of damage. And maybe knockback like beams that stuns? IDK. I don't see why it's an intermediate, and why it's one that costs 15 rpp. On a tree that already requires you to invest 15 rpp for an attunement before getting into the tree itself. I don't know. Glacier seems really underwhelming for the investment. I think if it was just a basic ice skill, it'd be fine, or if it's cooldown was cut down to like, 30s or so. Or you could make the trails dense to everyone but the caster? Or do ice damage when walked on? Making it do ice damage when walked on seems really cool actually.

Winter's Talons does 5 damage per spike the target walks on. And some people walk on multiple. Especially if you line u something like a beam and knock them into it while they are stunned. It also has a much lower cooldown. Sets up around the target, and applies frostbite. Winter's Talons is far more appropriate to be an intermediate than Glacier, in my opinion.

Even the opener does 13 damage. Just shy of what Glacier does at full capacity, is much easier to hit (at least as a melee player) It also has a much shorter cooldown of a base of 28s, and also inflict frostbite on impact. It's a really solid opener. and another skill that makes Glacier look pathetic in comparison.

As far as blizzard? I've noticed the objects just kind of... wonder off. Do their own thing. And some of them even when your target walks straight through them doesn't do ANY damage. I think Blizzard objects could be reworked slightly. Make them stay in a range of like... 5 tiles from the caster? Maybe a coded limit like this would keep them from wondering off? Or maybe rework blizzard to be similar to blood miasma where they follow an orbit around the user instead of random wandering. They do less damage than miasma and also rot. SO I don't think a charge would be necessary. It also has another obnoxiously long 40s cooldown.

Also on that note. Bring back Ice spike barrage as like a 5-10 rpp basic for ice. That functions like fireball. But frostbite instead of burn.

[Milly]

glacier gives frostbite

and if you have an issue of people dodging it, just field of ice them and then glacier them

[Volatile]

glacier gives frostbite

and if you have an issue of people dodging it, just field of ice them and then glacier them

Glacier dos not give frostvite. I've used it and it has never given frostbite.

EDIT: it frostbites jsut long enough for glacier to chain into itself. Still kinda... eh.

[Hated]

alittle info playing from playing Sarasha:

neither needs a buff or nerf. it can be wild sometimes with frostbite on a few skills, while other trees only have one or none readily accessible. its a REALLY good tree when paired up with other stuff. Not to mention its a hard cc tree. Winter Talons? Easily navigated, much easier if slowed. The player's decision to enter the 8x8 field of spikes that spawns is on them ESPECIALLY after they walk out of it. Little bit of advice, as a mage? If you use talons and the player walks out, go walk in! now melee will think twice about running at you.

ice is fkin fine

[Trenton]

I don't think ice needs a buff or nerf on any of its spells, but adding ice spike barrage back as a linear shot similar to fireball or scarlet darts with a 3s application of frostbite wouldn't be a bad idea.

The tree does need a bit 'more' for the barebones despite the fact that there's probably 4-5 hiddens for it!

[Milly]

glacier gives frostbite

and if you have an issue of people dodging it, just field of ice them and then glacier them

Glacier dos not give frostvite. I've used it and it has never given frostbite.

No, it 1000% gives frostbite, and in fact I just tested it to make sure I wasn't dreaming.

https://i.gyazo.com/ee852df236ee82048cac...6d42a2.mp4

When they turn blue that's frostbite.

[Volatile]

glacier gives frostbite

and if you have an issue of people dodging it, just field of ice them and then glacier them

Glacier dos not give frostvite. I've used it and it has never given frostbite.

No, it 1000% gives frostbite, and in fact I just tested it to make sure I wasn't dreaming.

https://i.gyazo.com/ee852df236ee82048cac...6d42a2.mp4

When they turn blue that's frostbite.

Lasts jst long enough for when it chains.

[Milly]

yes thats a bug.

but to say it doesn't give frostbite is incorrect.

[Volatile]

yes thats a bug.

but to say it doesn't give frostbite is incorrect.

I usually hit it after my target is already hit with field or talons, so thats probably why i never noticed it o nit's own.

Should've tested it in isolation, sorry.