02-28-2020, 10:30 PM
Okay making this post because with chance posting the second poll results and then everyone still replying to the original poll thread. I just want to start this by saying I voted as undecided originally and everything I say from this point is honestly just my care to see the game prosper alike everyone else. Cuz I think at the end of the day we can all agree we love the game. That is why I am going to speak in defense of a reset. If anyone feels I stepped out of line in my post my discord is Mr.Nobody#2871. Feel free to pm me.
I know everyone who is currently active and playing will be angry or upset or saddened by it. Of course they would, in the course of Eternia the only real resets or ts came in the form of the next game in the saga. Plus it seems like with words of a reset going around people are actively making an effort now to try not to get reset. Props peeps but I feel you might be a little late on it. I also believe everyone that is saying a reset wouldn’t fix or help anything is acting as part of the problem. Here is why. You are essentially stating because of other times you have seen this instance fail in another game that the same thing would happen with Eternia, essentially you are not being open minded or offering suggestion just adding to the problem and most likely for selfish reasons. Instead of being willing to reset and make an active effort to try and help better the game this time around.
Now the only part of my post that will be shitposting: Grow tf up. Most of us are grown men, if we can’t handle a reset for the betterment of a game like wtf. You really care about having your hiddens and being at the top that bad? Then just battlecuck all over again and do the same stupid shit that got us here in the first place.
Honestly Ave’s last post is a bit of a doozy, no shade towards you at all Avee, but saying lets just wait more than the 5 months(almost half a year) we have already put into the game even though we have lost like half the pb if not more, and it made me consider this. PS I also agree with you on a lot of what you said but to say its because of players doing bad rp is like stating only part of the problem.
Its not the problems of the players to fix a game. It’s a players job to help offer feedback and solutions to problems that occur, essentially help to improve a game. Maybe every now and then pointing out the occasional bug or spell balance issue. It should never be a players job or even playerbase to fix a game, even an rp game. Especially since they don’t have the power, authority, or ability to do so easily. ESPECIALLY IN ETERNIA, do you know how many antag groups will get shot down the moment someone hears about them, I can’t even imagine what would happen to someone trying to create a new protag group or good guy group. Literally just because another group gets worried they might get in the way of future goals, not even giving said group a chance to grow and once again killing motivation of players.
AGAIN that is not to say it is the teams fault either. They do their best job at running the game when they aren’t paid to do so, and they also participate in game. That said maybe consider hiring an outside mod, so we don’t have to deal with this idea anymore.(yes the idea that im not gonna even bother bringing up because none of us know how hard these guys must work both at creating a game for us as well as maintaining that game) With that said you either have to do something along the lines of hiring an outside mod or just start being a lot more interactive and transparent with the community about lore, and just generally everything. Don’t just be like yea we like to give people the ability to dev things how they please, and essentially a lot of the time just do as they please.(This should only go to a certain extent because then you have people dipping into cosmic just because of its AP. Like should cosmic even be ingame if its only gonna be used as a literal mechanic magic in game with no sense of ic towards it. As well as other problems such as becoming leadership only to really help yourself and the people you rp with closely. Then its like what next? Tell the people who complain about it that its their fault and they should be bringing something to the table, when I know, we have probably all seen this happen before. A person in power just straight up ignore someone they don’t usually rp with. When it reality it should be leaderships job to mostly design whats going to happen next in the game, and please stop making it something more of who has control of the continent. I think we are all so tired of the basic wars that generally only consist of the same battlechads doing the same things over and over again.
Like for godsakes and this is just another personal opinion, the new demons are wack. I also hate to say it, but Osrona should be getting some boons to help fight demons. Like they are the pride and might of Esshar. The new demons are essentially a human with better stats with a different form and an ‘antag’. Can I tell you how many demons I see acting more like a regular human simping and shit. Like really? The literal number of demons still alive can show how bad the demons are. Now they've waited and bided their time and now I don’t even know what they are or if they even have goals. I’ll tell ya they are a threat to Orsona now though. Only 5 months into the game… Ill tell ya my demon has a completey separate simple goal because I don’t understand demons in this iteration. Honestly if you ask me demons shouldn’t even be in game rn besides save the Council of Twelve. All adding them did was take power away from Osrona which imo should still be the focus of the game. Now it seems like how long is this capital of Esshar going to last against these forces. Which honestly Theria itself should not be such a concern. Especially when Esshar has a total pop of 24,000,000. Obviously some of this is Theria but cmon.
Like everyone is like the game is barely 5 months in don’t restart. Im looking at it like this game is barely 5 months in and we are already gonna be changing the name of the game to Chronicles of Demons, Theria, and Co. We definitely need better communication among EVERYONE and not just shots fired whenever something bad happens. We also need to be understanding that sometimes mistakes our made.
Now literally go to E3’s lore page and look at everything in it. 7 of the nations don’t even have descriptions. Well two do, but they are “this country is a rival power of that country.” Which again has no info on it so how do we even know how strong either of these nations are. Which why does it even matter considering none of these nations races or nationality are playable in game. Essentially they are just random nations in game. Second the noble houses. I feel like I only see a single member for each noble house nowadays which is honestly kind of weird. Also there is no separation of classes in Osrona like there should be if there is even going to be noble houses in the first place. Otherwise kinda just seems like the houses were created so that others could start off with some form of benefits.
Third I have never seen an Easter festival or eclipse festival. I haven’t even seen a marriage festival but I think at least one has been held in game. We have had one grand tournament, and I don’t think it was called that. The wiki makes it sound like it happens once every ic year…
As for organizations, Syndicate is pretty much dead, and if not we all know it isn’t what it could have been due to early eradication. It should have been the true antagonistic force of the game and we know it. Not the demons which seemed forced out of hiding to appease an audience. Not even the witches of moonfall should have been antagonists. Like yea obviously there should have been some form of worry about occultists in moonfall, but Moonfall was a pathway for so much spiritual Ic that just fell short. Especially with druidism. Not even Theria should have been such a threat or antagonistic force to Osrona and I’m a member of Fenrir, albeit not a strong member. I feel Theria did right in most parts to be honest with the one thing falling short to me was accepting demons. Which IC will be what it will be. I just feel like it was a little out of IC. Feel like Theria kinda got pushed into accepting demons lest face the consequences of fighting the Fenrir’s, and demons and essentially being eradicated either way. I know an enemy of an enemy is a friend, but it just seems like in that case Theria and Orsona would’ve joined together to yknow kill the SPAWN OF MORDRED. Not fall in love with them and stuff. Never even seen a member of the Imperial Academy. Let alone members of the Church, but I know someone is trying to revive it. As well as the Watch is pretty much dead and even when it wasn’t due to peeps being battlechads it was hard to maintain any sense of authority for the Watch.
If anything Watch members should have gained first boons, or something like anyone who participated in battle with a Watch member inside of city walls gets -DR or -AP or -Vit. Something to give power to the actual authority of Osrona, and enough free reign to battlechads. Finally the Artificers guild, I know someone is trying to revive something alike it right now, but I feel the reason why it failed is because. Everyone got the coin they needed and then no longer needed to do stuff. We need to find a way to make Artificer’s and Alchemists more engaging other than heres your armor, weapon, and perms goodbye. The couple additions like the anvil additions are nice, but I ultimately don’t think its gonna help much with the current state the game is in.(Something like that would have literally been better to do at a reset or initial launch. So I suppose its good to add in game for testing if anything) Okay back to lore if you look under Foundings. It clearly states, in the slums even the Law wasn’t safe. From the beginning they harassed slum chars so it surely feels like they didn’t see it that way. Essentially I think that chars that created at a specific spawn location shoudve got some boon for their location besides like flee enchants. Or else so and so battlecuck can just come in with his battlecuck homies and wreck shit. Notice I’ll be bringin up Battlechads a lot this discussion. Its because all of US do it and we all need to make an EFFORT to stop doing it in ways that are just complete meta.
Lore should match up with peoples char somehow. Obviously youre gonna get that one char who breaks away from the norm but when everyone starts doing it. You should regulate.
Now I’ll start by saying the game is still early and young, but you guys have to remember this is the third iteration of the game. Upon the start of the game we had 200 people in the server. Last Saturday we capped at like 79 and then dropped from there. With what is going on right now in game you would think we would have a larger pb. What I’d like to point out even further is I bet a lot of those lets say 100 players we have right now are either people running an alt or players that have been playing Eternia for a while now, me included. So we need to stop thinking in terms of oh this is gonna ruin the game or it isn’t healthy and wont solve any problems.
The fact of the matter is a ts or reset is the best way to go about solving all these problems as well as bringing back the pb and giving the game its best chance at revival. Think of it like this, even with the map shrunk and so and so indras shards.(Whatever those really are right now, I guess no one is entirely clear? At least I have no idea what they are tbh). With the games recent changes, fixes, and updates you are going to have those players who felt they have almost been at a disadvantage from the start, or that the game was lacking what it was supposed to have at the start of the game. Whether that’s the case or not its been obvious that a large majority of players felt something similar to this with this iteration of Eternia. Its no longer about solving the current problem, its about solving the games problem as a whole. Cuz its starting to seem obvious there is one, as much as any of us might hate to admit it because chance has made a great game here. Players are dropping like flies out here nowadays though. Obviously us 70 players are gonna keep playing regardless because we love the game, but what about the other 130 players that at one point enjoyed the game or at least wanted to have the opportunity to enjoy the game. I personally would much rather have a reset so everyone that likes and loves this game can have a chance to build it back up together again. As someone who is like a halfway battlecuck, I think it would be much cooler to see everyone build up a world of lore and cool shit in Esshar, as opposed to our basic faction shit. Like I have only ever participated in two events in the entirety of my time playing Eternia which is nearing 3 years now? Maybe even over 3 years, I’m not entirely sure. Yet with good narration and everyone actively rpping it was more fun than most of the wars I’ve ever participated in, and I have definitely almost participated in like every single war since Spires LOL. Like instead of Theria and Osrona picking fights at each other, considering Theria is suppose to be like far north in the outerlands of Esshar, and therefor Osrona other than to subjugate a rebellion wouldn’t have had much reason to come to these lawless lands. Why doesn’t theria instead venture further north in hopes of discovery or revival of Rhyonur. Travel further north into the mountains and discover an ancient labyrinth containing a remnant shard of modreds soul, and threatens to be unleashed since being unearthed, and its up to theria to contain it and defeat and then osrona could get involved if they wanted or let theria deal with it alone since there is bad blood.(AKA GoT storyline peeps. realized after I wrote this though) Meanwhile they focus on other things like the demon threat to the south, or something like the crown decides to set out on expedition or campaign for more land. Just like stuff to further increase the lore and actual background of the world. Cuz then its like there is all this shit going on, and its not just like personal events for select few to dev whatever battlecuck shit they want. Its like up the community as a whole to deal with and solve these problems. Like start introducing multiple world themes that don’t exactly involve us all killing each other for dominance. Make it so that maybe it can lead to that, but we should stop making that priority. Think of Dungeons and dragons questlines you know. I just feel we should be actively running events like quests to create more of a world, just regulate rewards. Um lastly I hope no one hates me after this post it isn't a shitpost these are my honest opinions in how I believe the game could work more effectively. None of it is personal attacks. They are all things I have taken notice to in my time playing. Main points being more events ran, more connection between ic and lore, and consider the potential that a ts or reset is healthy for the community as a whole. I feel like there is a lot more salt in this iteration of Eternia than ever before.
I know everyone who is currently active and playing will be angry or upset or saddened by it. Of course they would, in the course of Eternia the only real resets or ts came in the form of the next game in the saga. Plus it seems like with words of a reset going around people are actively making an effort now to try not to get reset. Props peeps but I feel you might be a little late on it. I also believe everyone that is saying a reset wouldn’t fix or help anything is acting as part of the problem. Here is why. You are essentially stating because of other times you have seen this instance fail in another game that the same thing would happen with Eternia, essentially you are not being open minded or offering suggestion just adding to the problem and most likely for selfish reasons. Instead of being willing to reset and make an active effort to try and help better the game this time around.
Now the only part of my post that will be shitposting: Grow tf up. Most of us are grown men, if we can’t handle a reset for the betterment of a game like wtf. You really care about having your hiddens and being at the top that bad? Then just battlecuck all over again and do the same stupid shit that got us here in the first place.
Honestly Ave’s last post is a bit of a doozy, no shade towards you at all Avee, but saying lets just wait more than the 5 months(almost half a year) we have already put into the game even though we have lost like half the pb if not more, and it made me consider this. PS I also agree with you on a lot of what you said but to say its because of players doing bad rp is like stating only part of the problem.
Its not the problems of the players to fix a game. It’s a players job to help offer feedback and solutions to problems that occur, essentially help to improve a game. Maybe every now and then pointing out the occasional bug or spell balance issue. It should never be a players job or even playerbase to fix a game, even an rp game. Especially since they don’t have the power, authority, or ability to do so easily. ESPECIALLY IN ETERNIA, do you know how many antag groups will get shot down the moment someone hears about them, I can’t even imagine what would happen to someone trying to create a new protag group or good guy group. Literally just because another group gets worried they might get in the way of future goals, not even giving said group a chance to grow and once again killing motivation of players.
AGAIN that is not to say it is the teams fault either. They do their best job at running the game when they aren’t paid to do so, and they also participate in game. That said maybe consider hiring an outside mod, so we don’t have to deal with this idea anymore.(yes the idea that im not gonna even bother bringing up because none of us know how hard these guys must work both at creating a game for us as well as maintaining that game) With that said you either have to do something along the lines of hiring an outside mod or just start being a lot more interactive and transparent with the community about lore, and just generally everything. Don’t just be like yea we like to give people the ability to dev things how they please, and essentially a lot of the time just do as they please.(This should only go to a certain extent because then you have people dipping into cosmic just because of its AP. Like should cosmic even be ingame if its only gonna be used as a literal mechanic magic in game with no sense of ic towards it. As well as other problems such as becoming leadership only to really help yourself and the people you rp with closely. Then its like what next? Tell the people who complain about it that its their fault and they should be bringing something to the table, when I know, we have probably all seen this happen before. A person in power just straight up ignore someone they don’t usually rp with. When it reality it should be leaderships job to mostly design whats going to happen next in the game, and please stop making it something more of who has control of the continent. I think we are all so tired of the basic wars that generally only consist of the same battlechads doing the same things over and over again.
Like for godsakes and this is just another personal opinion, the new demons are wack. I also hate to say it, but Osrona should be getting some boons to help fight demons. Like they are the pride and might of Esshar. The new demons are essentially a human with better stats with a different form and an ‘antag’. Can I tell you how many demons I see acting more like a regular human simping and shit. Like really? The literal number of demons still alive can show how bad the demons are. Now they've waited and bided their time and now I don’t even know what they are or if they even have goals. I’ll tell ya they are a threat to Orsona now though. Only 5 months into the game… Ill tell ya my demon has a completey separate simple goal because I don’t understand demons in this iteration. Honestly if you ask me demons shouldn’t even be in game rn besides save the Council of Twelve. All adding them did was take power away from Osrona which imo should still be the focus of the game. Now it seems like how long is this capital of Esshar going to last against these forces. Which honestly Theria itself should not be such a concern. Especially when Esshar has a total pop of 24,000,000. Obviously some of this is Theria but cmon.
Like everyone is like the game is barely 5 months in don’t restart. Im looking at it like this game is barely 5 months in and we are already gonna be changing the name of the game to Chronicles of Demons, Theria, and Co. We definitely need better communication among EVERYONE and not just shots fired whenever something bad happens. We also need to be understanding that sometimes mistakes our made.
Now literally go to E3’s lore page and look at everything in it. 7 of the nations don’t even have descriptions. Well two do, but they are “this country is a rival power of that country.” Which again has no info on it so how do we even know how strong either of these nations are. Which why does it even matter considering none of these nations races or nationality are playable in game. Essentially they are just random nations in game. Second the noble houses. I feel like I only see a single member for each noble house nowadays which is honestly kind of weird. Also there is no separation of classes in Osrona like there should be if there is even going to be noble houses in the first place. Otherwise kinda just seems like the houses were created so that others could start off with some form of benefits.
Third I have never seen an Easter festival or eclipse festival. I haven’t even seen a marriage festival but I think at least one has been held in game. We have had one grand tournament, and I don’t think it was called that. The wiki makes it sound like it happens once every ic year…
As for organizations, Syndicate is pretty much dead, and if not we all know it isn’t what it could have been due to early eradication. It should have been the true antagonistic force of the game and we know it. Not the demons which seemed forced out of hiding to appease an audience. Not even the witches of moonfall should have been antagonists. Like yea obviously there should have been some form of worry about occultists in moonfall, but Moonfall was a pathway for so much spiritual Ic that just fell short. Especially with druidism. Not even Theria should have been such a threat or antagonistic force to Osrona and I’m a member of Fenrir, albeit not a strong member. I feel Theria did right in most parts to be honest with the one thing falling short to me was accepting demons. Which IC will be what it will be. I just feel like it was a little out of IC. Feel like Theria kinda got pushed into accepting demons lest face the consequences of fighting the Fenrir’s, and demons and essentially being eradicated either way. I know an enemy of an enemy is a friend, but it just seems like in that case Theria and Orsona would’ve joined together to yknow kill the SPAWN OF MORDRED. Not fall in love with them and stuff. Never even seen a member of the Imperial Academy. Let alone members of the Church, but I know someone is trying to revive it. As well as the Watch is pretty much dead and even when it wasn’t due to peeps being battlechads it was hard to maintain any sense of authority for the Watch.
If anything Watch members should have gained first boons, or something like anyone who participated in battle with a Watch member inside of city walls gets -DR or -AP or -Vit. Something to give power to the actual authority of Osrona, and enough free reign to battlechads. Finally the Artificers guild, I know someone is trying to revive something alike it right now, but I feel the reason why it failed is because. Everyone got the coin they needed and then no longer needed to do stuff. We need to find a way to make Artificer’s and Alchemists more engaging other than heres your armor, weapon, and perms goodbye. The couple additions like the anvil additions are nice, but I ultimately don’t think its gonna help much with the current state the game is in.(Something like that would have literally been better to do at a reset or initial launch. So I suppose its good to add in game for testing if anything) Okay back to lore if you look under Foundings. It clearly states, in the slums even the Law wasn’t safe. From the beginning they harassed slum chars so it surely feels like they didn’t see it that way. Essentially I think that chars that created at a specific spawn location shoudve got some boon for their location besides like flee enchants. Or else so and so battlecuck can just come in with his battlecuck homies and wreck shit. Notice I’ll be bringin up Battlechads a lot this discussion. Its because all of US do it and we all need to make an EFFORT to stop doing it in ways that are just complete meta.
Lore should match up with peoples char somehow. Obviously youre gonna get that one char who breaks away from the norm but when everyone starts doing it. You should regulate.
Now I’ll start by saying the game is still early and young, but you guys have to remember this is the third iteration of the game. Upon the start of the game we had 200 people in the server. Last Saturday we capped at like 79 and then dropped from there. With what is going on right now in game you would think we would have a larger pb. What I’d like to point out even further is I bet a lot of those lets say 100 players we have right now are either people running an alt or players that have been playing Eternia for a while now, me included. So we need to stop thinking in terms of oh this is gonna ruin the game or it isn’t healthy and wont solve any problems.
The fact of the matter is a ts or reset is the best way to go about solving all these problems as well as bringing back the pb and giving the game its best chance at revival. Think of it like this, even with the map shrunk and so and so indras shards.(Whatever those really are right now, I guess no one is entirely clear? At least I have no idea what they are tbh). With the games recent changes, fixes, and updates you are going to have those players who felt they have almost been at a disadvantage from the start, or that the game was lacking what it was supposed to have at the start of the game. Whether that’s the case or not its been obvious that a large majority of players felt something similar to this with this iteration of Eternia. Its no longer about solving the current problem, its about solving the games problem as a whole. Cuz its starting to seem obvious there is one, as much as any of us might hate to admit it because chance has made a great game here. Players are dropping like flies out here nowadays though. Obviously us 70 players are gonna keep playing regardless because we love the game, but what about the other 130 players that at one point enjoyed the game or at least wanted to have the opportunity to enjoy the game. I personally would much rather have a reset so everyone that likes and loves this game can have a chance to build it back up together again. As someone who is like a halfway battlecuck, I think it would be much cooler to see everyone build up a world of lore and cool shit in Esshar, as opposed to our basic faction shit. Like I have only ever participated in two events in the entirety of my time playing Eternia which is nearing 3 years now? Maybe even over 3 years, I’m not entirely sure. Yet with good narration and everyone actively rpping it was more fun than most of the wars I’ve ever participated in, and I have definitely almost participated in like every single war since Spires LOL. Like instead of Theria and Osrona picking fights at each other, considering Theria is suppose to be like far north in the outerlands of Esshar, and therefor Osrona other than to subjugate a rebellion wouldn’t have had much reason to come to these lawless lands. Why doesn’t theria instead venture further north in hopes of discovery or revival of Rhyonur. Travel further north into the mountains and discover an ancient labyrinth containing a remnant shard of modreds soul, and threatens to be unleashed since being unearthed, and its up to theria to contain it and defeat and then osrona could get involved if they wanted or let theria deal with it alone since there is bad blood.(AKA GoT storyline peeps. realized after I wrote this though) Meanwhile they focus on other things like the demon threat to the south, or something like the crown decides to set out on expedition or campaign for more land. Just like stuff to further increase the lore and actual background of the world. Cuz then its like there is all this shit going on, and its not just like personal events for select few to dev whatever battlecuck shit they want. Its like up the community as a whole to deal with and solve these problems. Like start introducing multiple world themes that don’t exactly involve us all killing each other for dominance. Make it so that maybe it can lead to that, but we should stop making that priority. Think of Dungeons and dragons questlines you know. I just feel we should be actively running events like quests to create more of a world, just regulate rewards. Um lastly I hope no one hates me after this post it isn't a shitpost these are my honest opinions in how I believe the game could work more effectively. None of it is personal attacks. They are all things I have taken notice to in my time playing. Main points being more events ran, more connection between ic and lore, and consider the potential that a ts or reset is healthy for the community as a whole. I feel like there is a lot more salt in this iteration of Eternia than ever before.