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RE: Path of Wordsmithing has been labeled wrong in the new faith system - DreamsOfBlue - 03-15-2024
(03-15-2024, 09:25 PM)Big Cat Wrote: To be fair. From what the ticket showed? They're giving you the ability to change that. Via IC. I think that's a fair thing and also provides some good opportunities to both raise your infamy as a presence on meranthe, but also get what you want out the faith. On the flipside!? Due to the faith changes-... Getting faith will be a hurdle.
I'm mostly just upset that now ICly I literally can't work hand in hand with the church of harmony because we're now directly competing against one another for no logical reasons because my faith aligns with them.
This is my core issue here. It shouldn't have been ruled this way because it makes no sense with any of the IC I've had so far. I just feel invalidated.
Why should I have to change that via IC when its already what it is.
RE: Path of Wordsmithing has been labeled wrong in the new faith system - Horos - 03-15-2024
(03-15-2024, 09:22 PM)StarMann Wrote: All the constants are considered part of the pantheon (strictly speaking Amier was part of their pantheon and split etc etc)
Amier/Ymir can be regarded a member of the Pantheon because all the others are derived from him.
However, there seems to be no lore connection between the rest of the constants and the pantheon, (except for Mortyl and Caius having children and Pylae + Unknown.) From a lore standpoint, this connection doesn't make much sense.
RE: Path of Wordsmithing has been labeled wrong in the new faith system - Nectarine Sunset - 03-15-2024
(03-15-2024, 09:28 PM)ratqueen Wrote: can i get a key to translate the terms "apostate" and "animism" from their actual meanings to whatever the hell people mean in this thread
apostate: anathema to the current powers that be in terms of major religions, antithetical to life (i would possibly say that witches count as apostate, but i'm not sure, given it's not like any witch is going to talk about that and we haven't gotten a definition of WHAT counts as apostate)
animism: related to the worship of spirits instead of any direct gods (like talguth)
RE: Path of Wordsmithing has been labeled wrong in the new faith system - Kal - 03-15-2024
It is going to take a bit more work and establishment to take something that is inherently negative to the world and is generally viewed as such to be changed rather than just on a whim because you icly view such that way. Similarly to how Holy and Occult are no longer viewed as good or evil compared to the older iterations of eternia, because they are mostly magics based on positive and negative emotions, someone bad, similarly to the prior example of Ryan Kyros, a necromancy having lich also used holy magic, whereas occult can be used by people who have good intentions, but have gone through lots of trauma that heavily plays into the negative emotions that influence occultism.
Nobody is really saying 'this can't become x thing in time' but even the people you are working with icly are wary and skeptical of Su-Zan and what they are doing because of the past examples like Catildre who you directly view as the one you worship in this sense, to others that are currently front and center to a chaos plot that the intentions behind it are to entirely rewrite the world with chaos as their method. I've icly supported Su-Zan's efforts to make Chaos be something that isn't inherently seen as bad, because it is icly also one of the forces of harmony and my character believes that it can be used in some form of manner for good depending on who uses it.
But it's going to take more than 'this is how I see it' to establish something that is as lore changing as inherently changing what the core of Chaos is, even if you wish to worship it differently.
RE: Path of Wordsmithing has been labeled wrong in the new faith system - Iotasilver - 03-15-2024
(03-15-2024, 09:30 PM)Horos Wrote:(03-15-2024, 09:22 PM)StarMann Wrote: All the constants are considered part of the pantheon (strictly speaking Amier was part of their pantheon and split etc etc)
Amier/Ymir can be regarded a member of the Pantheon because all the others are derived from him.
However, there seems to be no lore connection between the rest of the constants and the pantheon, (except for Mortyl and Caius having children and Pylae + Unknown.) From a lore standpoint, this connection doesn't make much sense.
Yeah, if all the constants are part of the pantheon - Is Hel now considered apart of the pantheon? like wat.
RE: Path of Wordsmithing has been labeled wrong in the new faith system - StarMann - 03-15-2024
(03-15-2024, 09:30 PM)Iotasilver Wrote:(03-15-2024, 09:30 PM)Horos Wrote:(03-15-2024, 09:22 PM)StarMann Wrote: All the constants are considered part of the pantheon (strictly speaking Amier was part of their pantheon and split etc etc)
Amier/Ymir can be regarded a member of the Pantheon because all the others are derived from him.
However, there seems to be no lore connection between the rest of the constants and the pantheon, (except for Mortyl and Caius having children and Pylae + Unknown.) From a lore standpoint, this connection doesn't make much sense.
Yeah, if all the constants are part of the pantheon - Is Hel now considered apart of the pantheon? like wat.
Yes, the wiki page has been updated.
RE: Path of Wordsmithing has been labeled wrong in the new faith system - DreamsOfBlue - 03-15-2024
(03-15-2024, 09:30 PM)Kal Wrote: It is going to take a bit more work and establishment to take something that is inherently negative to the world and is generally viewed as such to be changed rather than just on a whim because you icly view such that way. Similarly to how Holy and Occult are no longer viewed as good or evil compared to the older iterations of eternia, because they are mostly magics based on positive and negative emotions, someone bad, similarly to the prior example of Ryan Kyros, a necromancy having lich also used holy magic, whereas occult can be used by people who have good intentions, but have gone through lots of trauma that heavily plays into the negative emotions that influence occultism.
Nobody is really saying 'this can't become x thing in time' but even the people you are working with icly are wary and skeptical of Su-Zan and what they are doing because of the past examples like Catildre who you directly view as the one you worship in this sense, to others that are currently front and center to a chaos plot that the intentions behind it are to entirely rewrite the world with chaos as their method. I've icly supported Su-Zan's efforts to make Chaos be something that isn't inherently seen as bad, because it is icly also one of the forces of harmony and my character believes that it can be used in some form of manner for good depending on who uses it.
But it's going to take more than 'this is how I see it' to establish something that is as lore changing as inherently changing what the core of Chaos is, even if you wish to worship it differently.
But a label of faith is NOT about how the world percieve you. Its about WHERE does my faith come from.
My faith comes from an animist place.
Thats it. It doesn't matter at all if the world sees or agree. My religion, the source of my faith, my prayers, how I LITERALLY GAIN the mechanical faith is from Animism.
It doesn't matter if people agree or not.
RE: Path of Wordsmithing has been labeled wrong in the new faith system - Rottie - 03-15-2024
So, from what I know Su-Zan has a full fledged Faith.
Faith is inherently connected to the Lifestream, and thus it cannot be antithetical to it by it's very nature. (Not to be confused with Holy magic which doesn't care)
Perhaps the Wordsmith practice of Chaos magic and creation does change the way the lifestream flows, deviating things like a weird error in the code of reality- But that isn't inherently destructive or evil any more than creating a Synthetic life form is, as far as I can tell at least.
For the Wordsmith faith version of Chaos magic and worship to be categorized in the same way as Witchcraft? Well, that just doesn't make much sense to me.
This seems like the disconnect between Melidoyla and Catildre, who while they were one-in-the-same were fundamentally different forces upon the world, too.
So- Yeah I see no reason not to allow the Wordsmiths to be Chaos / Animism instead of Chaos / Apostate.
RE: Path of Wordsmithing has been labeled wrong in the new faith system - ExaByte - 03-15-2024
For what it's worth I don't think this is like a hard no on your concept of using Chaos/Discord good ends, it's a 'No, but'- which is different. People have already made the Holy magic correction so I'm not gonna go over that, but the lore of Faith is that it works based off of the Lifestream and its power, and Chaos is the anthesis of the Lifestream. You have Apostate faith because you can get similar results with a different power source, but none of that stops you from using that for your characters good ends. It's just a matter of taking that and working with it more than it is just deciding empirically that Chaos doesn't work that way. I think there's a lot of potential for what you have going on, it's just a matter of getting over this hump of feeling like this is a nerf or something to you.
RE: Path of Wordsmithing has been labeled wrong in the new faith system - ruefuny - 03-15-2024
protestantism has ruined everything